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October 02, 2008


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ford knowlton

awesome man. i agree completely.


This reminds me of John MacArthur's book "The Gospel According to Jesus" where he apparently (I havn't read it yet but can't wait to) talks about how being "saved" and being a "disciple" are essentially the same thing. That Jesus never intended for descipleship to be a seperate experience from salvation, but that being saved is becoming a disciple. They don't happen at seperate times like first you get saved and then you become a disciple. No...becoming a disciple is the purpose and essence of salvation. Anyway, have you read that book? I heard him talking about it in an interview once and that rang very true to me. I'm not sure that is what your saying but it sounds similer to me.


I read your post again and my comment again and I'm not sure what you are really saying....but so you know when I said "becoming a disciple is the purpose and essence of salvation" I didn't mean the purpose of salvation is for ourselves to obtain a certain state of spirituality, I mean that becoming a disciple is what being saved is. You can't be saved and not be a disciple. Jesus talks about becoming a disciple the same way he talks about salvation. Like that is what he means when he's saying "follow me".
So anyway, I'm interpreting what your saying here as meaning that we shouldn't see being a disciple of God as some performance that we set out on as a result of our salvation, but as an identity that we naturally acquire as saved people. When we make the choice to be saved we make the choice to be Jesus' disciples and that is part of our experience in salvation, not our experience apart from it.
Sorry I'm going on and on but I find this particular subject VERY fascinating and also it is something that has been on my heart for quite some time. I would love to hear more from you on this issue, and hopefully I can wrap my mind around it.

Jeremy Pryor

Paul explains perfectly the relationship between the two in 1 Cor. 3 where he lays a foundation in Christ (The Gospel) and others are building on that foundation.

Thus Gospel training is the foundation and all other training is not separate from the Gospel but its not the same as the Gospel either. Discipleship is the whole house founded on the Gospel and only as strong as one's foundation in the Gospel but you still must build on the foundation. You need the whole house to be strong and complete.


That's well put Jeremy.

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